SNK vs. Capcom SVC Chaos - Erste Eindrücke

"rogge" schrieb:

terry nehms mir nicht übel, für nen ganzes review von SvC bräucht ich nur 1h :[

diese Andersartigkeit schon alleine ist für mich ein Kaufgrund und einige liebgewonnene Charas(besonders Shiki und Tessa)

mir fehlt in svc irgendwo echt das gameplay

oder ich hab in letzter zeit zuviel ggxxr gezockt.

bin ich eigentlich der einzige hier, der das game bisher scheisse findet. musikalisch ja wohl mies ohne ende.

grafisch hauts ein auch nicht aus den socken. speziell die backgrounds sind billig.

"NeoX" schrieb:

"rogge" schrieb:

terry nehms mir nicht übel, für nen ganzes review von SvC bräucht ich nur 1h :[

bin ich eigentlich der einzige hier, der das game bisher scheisse findet. musikalisch ja wohl mies ohne ende. grafisch hauts ein auch nicht aus den socken. speziell die backgrounds sind billig. und die logik von special und super hab ich auch noch nicht so gerafft. wenn die was neues versucht haben ok. werd mal weiter rumprobieren, aber wenn man hunz und kunz aus allem rauswerfen kann, dann ist das ja schlimmer als bei 3s. mussten die das so übertreiben? "hey ich mach nen super" "na und. ich werf dich raus". werd mal weiter probieren, hab aber keine grosse hoffnung diesbezüglich. das ganze wirkt so wie wenn man krampfhaft versucht hat snk gameplay mit capcom gameplay zu mischen.

see...you gotta remember, i dont flame anything. i'm just a blunt opinionated asshole. it's not like i dont own a neogeo, or that i'm not educated in the way fighting games work(ask BonusKun if you need a reference). I'm just saying the stuff that the majority of you DONT want to hear(truth hurts, i know...paying an assload for a game just because your collecting it sucks, especially when you try to defend it because of how much you spent on it) or are too vaginalized to say it because you fear some horrid backlash from the rest of the community.

now, onto my reply:

yeah, it's amazing like "holy shit, this game is so fucking broke it gave me herpes"

i mean cmon, they dont even have the game on the roster for the SBO tourney this year(but it has an unplayed and untested KOF2k3 on the list). that says alot when your INTERNATIONALLY famous invitational world tourney has a game that isnt even out yet listed when a game that has been out, declared broken beyond all means and is only being defended by hardcore neo fans wasn't even considered.

hell, heres the list of titles to be played at the SBO.

Vampire Savior (singles)
KOF2k3 (singles)
TK4 (singles)
Samurai Spirits 0 (singles)

3S (teams)
CvS2 (teams)
GGXX#r (teams)
VF4:EVO (teams)

they even have CvS2(which some of you are saying is WORSE than SvC:Chaos) AND tekken4(where almost every tourney match ends in Jin vs Jin), but even though both of those titles have a VERY small top tier...it doesnt revolve around glitched out secret characters with tons of infs, traps, and other n00b friendly garbage.

and considering the fact that after you kids lamblast anybody that enjoys capcom for their company rehashing sprites...take a quick glance at hugo in SvC for me. dont hate me because i pointed out that snk rehashes shit...we all KNOW capcom does. it's a long running joke that you expect rehashed sprites in any game they do that is 2d nowadays.

but dont give ME shit for pointing out the BLATANTLY obvious things that your beloved company "that can do no wrong" (ITS SNK! ITS OWNZORS! NO GAME CAN BE BAD FROM THEM CUZ THEY R HARDCORE!!!)has done because they are just as lazy as capcom.

lemme get this quote out of the way real quick:

Originally Posted By NeoBuyer
My opinion is that Capcom's games represented everything that's wrong with modern 2D fighters:

Pre-rendered or 3D BG's

Badly recycled sprites that look WORSE than they did originally (i.e. pixelly as fuck)

I just hate the way CvsSNK looks. It's so fucking ugly it's not playable for me.

SVC looks very good to my eyes- the characters are low res in a good way- they don't look like shit.

Spoken only as an idiot could...thanks for the ammo for this one chief.

*gets ready to fire off some shots*

LOW RES SPRITES THAT LOOK GOOD ARE TEH BEST BECUZ DEY R FROM SNK! WOOT!

jesus christ, i could use yours' and beasts' posts as a base for at LEAST 4 articles as to why fanboys and collectors are idiots and shouldn't even be allowed to discuss anything other than panty shots and how much games are worth.

It doesnt matter a goodly god damn what a game looks like. if the engine is broke, then it's ass.


here, lemme ask a serious question:



Would you buy a new 300dollar snk port/upgrade of shaq-fu if it had the godly sprites of GGXX, pure 2d backgrounds and super fluid animation?








oh really?










why not?















BECAUSE SHAQ-FU PLAYS LIKE SHIT, THATS WHY.








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now, onto the reply you get. ready? GO!

OH yes, bitch and moan about sagat with his d.fp...complain about haohmaru(HAHAHAHAHA) at least there is a poking game in cvs2. oh, you want to poke in SvC? stick out any poke on zero...OOPS! that's a GCD and you get hit with an inf, or a command grab, or a max combo that does a dizzy and segues into 100% damage. k thx bi...your opinion is garbage.

oh, and next time you post remember this for me. SMILEYS DONT MAKE YOU INTELLIGENT.

as for the rest of you guys...

please, for the love of GOD understand your game and where it's faults lie before trying to defend it to me. it'll at least make the conversation A)educational B)fun to take part in and C)a non biased discussion on how *insert game here*'s engine is messed up and why.

which in turn, will inform others before they purchase something for 300 dollars that will deffinetly go DOWN in price over time(garbage game + tons of copies = this should be under 200 by the summer).

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you have your chance to shut me down if you think you can...use any of those 3 options and we'll have the discussion/debate/whatever on why this game blows the inflamed anal cavity of gary colemon. hell, you might even earn some respect from me or convince me why your opinions are the most "sound" ones.

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ready to know when a game is broken? go turn on SvC:Chaos and test this shit out.

have guile throw a C sonic boom at geese

have geese do a ducking weak kick(down + B).

what happens? sonic boom goes RIGHT over him. oh...there ya go. no need for geese to worry about any guile players ever again. if they throw fast ones you duck under it with wk, if they throw a slow one and jump, negate it with a hop back air fireball or counter it with a C reppuken or a reversal.

hell, geese's jumping weak kick(B) cancels out Bison's Psycho Crusher, Iori's dashing super, his raging storm stops Shin Akuma's multiple air fireball, and more(feels like an infomercial).

Note that it doesnt trade hits...it STUFFS BISONS SUPER. A SUPER WHERE HIS WHOLE BODY IS A BLUE FLAME OF INPENETRABLE DEATH. EVERYTIME. why? because geese's legs(yes both of them) are considered the hitbox...which is why it's used as a crossup. this also cancels out or trades with alot of other supers(try it and you'll be amazed).

might i add that i had Ryo's ranbuu dashing super go right thru my standing V.Ken yesterday while i prepared to block(i.e..just holding back while standing). he never hit, never got stunned from me blocking, NOPE! just kept on goin right thru me and over to the other side of the stage.

ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

man, this game feels like snk just grabbed some retard with a tinfoil hat and showed him how to type 0s and 1s. PROGRAMMING AND BETA TESTING AT IT'S FINEST.

now granted, MvC2(from capcom...that "other" company) was a glitch fest like no other(almost taking the title of "most glitched out piece of shit fighter" from Killer Instinct), you could accept it because if you thought about it, Capcom built that game on an entirely new board/system to them(for 2d fighters). That, and the induction of multiple assists really gave that game the "oomph" it needed to allow lockups, glitches, and all kinds of other insanity.

but here's the kicker...SNK HAS BEEN PROGRAMMING ON THE SAME GOD DAMN HARDWARE FOR OVER 10 YEARS. You think they woulda caught on to shit like "hit boxes" or "collision issues" by now. At least capcom had a miniscule excuse for MvC2...

"uh...we were drunk on saki and got stupid on that new naomi board thingy...theres a ton of glitches in this title, but enough that the game will balance itself out after time"

what does snk have?

"hmm, this game is broken. the testers hate it. there's collision issues, our GCD system isnt fully tested yet, we have over damaging secret characters, the counter system geeks out and doesnt work properly, and 2/3rds of our ROSTER is completely useless thanks to Geese and Zero."

*ponders*

"well....we could put it on delay....NAH! release it anyways. it has mai. they dont need balancing in a fighter, besides; we got KoF2k3 to worry about! they'll play it and there are a ton of overly angsty anime absuing white kids that will pay over $300 for a home cart of this game"


yeah, i'm sorry. this game is a piece of shit. you dont see ANY character getting banned from play in MvC2 or CvS2 or KoF2k2 or Garou or Breakers Revegne or SFA3 do you? NOPE.


why?


Because even though every game has a "tier", characters are only banned/softbanned/etc when they have HUGE advantages that can give even a n00b player easy wins. forget shoto's and how easy it is to throw a fireball. forget whoring out iori's shorthop crossup. dont even try to bitch about cable and how he's "cheap"....hell, fuck Goro's 98 throw glitch.

all you need is geese, zero, or chun-li(yes, even good ol chun has an unblockable) to win.

ready for an example?

geese + infinite = win

C, f+D,dash,C,f+D,dash,C,f+D,dash,C,f+D,etc,etc,etc

yep...two moves. takes about an hours worth of practice to master where the dash is started and the next neutral C begins...but you'll be whippin out infs in no time.

then add this:

geese + infinite + super = dizzy

crossup jumping B,land,C,f+D,dash,C,f+D,dash,C,f+D xx qcf+wp(reppu ken), raging storm

OH! that's over 1 bar of life gone, you're dizzy and i can redo the inf until the round is over.



seriously, you kids can't win this argument. there's probably a ton of you calling me a capcom whore, or a bitter asshole, or whatever. your predictable, so are your opinions, and everything i've said in this post is the god damn truth about this game.

dont hate me because you guys dont want to hear that your brand new $300+ shiny cartridge is a generic, broken, god awful representation of what a fighting game should be. kof2k2 was better than this, garou was better than this, and even World Heroes 2 is better than this.

Alles was ich immer wieder lese ist wie Capcom-Spieler überall SNK niederbashen. Egal wie freundlich ausgedrückt oder wie hinterfotzig in jedem zweiten Satz. Der Mann hier bildet da für mich keine Ausnahme.

Und jetzt kommt der Brüller, daß ich behaupte, daß keiner von uns hier in 60 Minuten, wie es der oben gequotete Reviewer geschrieben hat, den Geese Infinite plus Dizzy + Super Finish drauf hat. Ich sage: keiner hier!

... weil es eben ein Sammel-Hobby ist.

Ich bin der Auffassung, daß es auch einige Leute gibt, die sich kein Neo Geo leisten können, oder nur so gerade eben könnten und sich dann eigentlich diebisch freuen wenn mal eines der Flaggschiff-Games ne 300 Euro teure Bruchlandung vollführt.

... wenn er wüsste das ich mir das Game nur auf Grund zweier Charas kaufe ...

Er hält fans halt ganz einfach nicht für objektiv ...

Dazu kommt noch, dass sich seine Kritik größtenteils auf einige wenige versteckte Charaktere bezieht.

"Iczer °1" schrieb:

Und jetzt kommt der Brüller, daß ich behaupte, daß keiner von uns hier in 60 Minuten, wie es der oben gequotete Reviewer geschrieben hat, den Geese Infinite plus Dizzy + Super Finish drauf hat. Ich sage: keiner hier!

Ja gut, vielleicht n paar Minuten mehr

"Iczer °1" schrieb:

:arrow:
fanboys and collectors are idiots and shouldn't even be allowed to discuss anything other than panty shots and how much games are worth
das ist btw mein Lieblingssatz, pleeze dun hate me 4 dat

"Iczer °1" schrieb:

Schlechte Games tun erst weh wenn man dafür bezahlt

"rogge" schrieb:

@ neoX


das was du da schreibst, hätte ich auch geschrieben (FAST)
und ich schätz mal, das hast du auch in weniger einer stunde geschrieben :[

daher geh ich mal von aus, das du genau so wenig skill hast wie ich

weniger sexuell plz :[

Und jetzt kommt der Brüller, daß ich behaupte, daß keiner von uns hier in 60 Minuten, wie es der oben gequotete Reviewer geschrieben hat, den Geese Infinite plus Dizzy + Super Finish drauf hat. Ich sage: keiner hier!